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Thames Pirate
Posted : 9/2/2009 8:58:04 PM
[quote=bobf5] Taken from one of the cases filed against Obama, the defendant is Obama, aka Soetoro It's rather insulting to call our president by a name that isn't his. His documentation is all under the name Obama, not Soetoro. There is no evidence it was ever changed. His legal name is Obama. quote:" Soetoro has admitted that he is the son of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, and that he was born on August 4, 1961. This record is further corroborated with the Decree of Divorce between S. A. Dunham and B. H. Obama entered on March 4, 1964. Defendant has admitted that at the time of his birth, his father was a British citizen
and a Kenyan national. It is a matter of public record that Stanley Ann Dunham, at the time of defendant#%92s birth, was 18 years of age.
Defendant, through third parties acting on his behalf, has tendered a discredited and apparently forged Certification of Live Birth claiming to be from the state of Hawaii.
It's been discredited? News to me--oh, wait, it was discredited by those who didn't WANT to believe it. No amount of evidence is going to convince some people that what they're seeing is real--just like there are people who don't believe in the moon landings or who think Elvis is still alive.
Defendant#%92s grandmother has stated emphatically that she was present at the time of his birth at the Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and his half-brothers have attested to his Kenyan birth.
Actually, she said he was born in Hawaii. Have you read the conversation?
No person or entity has appeared as a witness to his alleged birth in Hawaii, and there is no evidence other than the forged Certification of Live Birth indicating that defendant was born on American soil. Defendant has refused to release his actual Certificate of Live Birth, and has proffered no other evidence to establish a birth on American soil. Therefore, Plaintiff has determined that probable cause exists to conclude that defendant is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America, as required
under Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5, of the United States Constitution, and further that defendant has failed to establish that he is in fact a citizen of the United States of
America.
Well, hospital staff witness hundreds of births each year. I doubt many would go on record for any births that were not particularly noteworthy 48 years after the fact. There were birth announcements. Birth certificates are issued for that reason. Here we come again to the problem--is there anything anyone can say that will convince birthers that it ISN'T a forgery? If I were to claim I'd seen and authenticated it, you'd claim I was paid off. There is no winning in this situation.
Of course, this ignores the fact that, regardless of WHERE he was born, President Obama's mother was an American citizen, and with that she conferred citizenship at birth on her son. It's pretty simple, really.
2) Obama was a British citizen 'at birth.' These facts are not in dispute: Under the British Nationality Act 1948, Obama's father was a British citizen/subject when he was born in the English colony of Kenya.
Obama's father continued to be such and not a U.S. citizen when Obama was born in 1961. Under the same BNA 1948, at birth, regardless of where he was born, Obama also became a British citizen/subject by descent from his British father. As applicable only to a Presidential Article II 'natural born Citizen': ...the individual must be born in the United States to a mother and father who are themselves United States citizens (by birth or naturalization). This is to assure that a would-be, all powerful President and Commander in Chief of the Military has sole allegiance and loyalty to the United States from the time of birth.
Yes, he held dual citizenship until he was 18. That fact is not in dispute. The term "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution. It never says "born in the United States" (if it did, McCain and others before him, including Goldwater and Mitt Romney's father George would have been ineligible). It doesn't say to a mother and father who are themselves citizens. Further, it is possible to be born in the US to parents who are both citizens yet hold dual citizenship. The dual citizenship as a minor has no bearing on one's status as natural born, whatever the definition, in and of itself. It's also not to "assure that a would-be, all powerful Pres" (who, incidentally, isn't all-powerful, but is instead held back by a system called checks and balances) has sole allegiance. It was to prevent the Loyalists from electing King George as president after the Revolution. I would support an amendment stating that someone currently holding dual citizenship cannot be President, but at the moment no such law exists, either.
It is public knowledge that Obama has admitted in his writings and otherwise that when he was born, his father was a British citizen/subject and not a United States citizen and that at that time he himself also became such. In fact, his father was not even a permanent resident of the United States, but rather only a student who would probably have been here only on a temporary student visa. Hence, not only was Obama's father not a United States citizen but Obama himself was born a British subject/citizen. Hence, clearly, Obama is not and cannot be an Article II 'natural born Citizen.' The operative facts are not in dispute."
Yes, they are--being born a British citizen doesn't preclude one from also being born a US citizen. "
endquote: You still think this is dead. Obama has succeeded in pulling off the biggest hoax in history. It is only fitting that he someday he pay for his indiscretions. If convicted he could face the death penalty. Is there any wonder why he has spend a fortune keeping his records sealed. Treason is no minor offense.
Right, they paid off everyone--all the people who have vouched for his birth, who have examined his birth certificate (which is publicly available online), the newspaper archivists, and anyone who could possibly have known anything about it . . . ever tried following the money trail? Oh, wait--there isn't one. There is NO way to keep something as big as you claim from leaking. Things much smaller and less serious weren't able to be hushed up with money. It couldn't happen.
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