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Hoof issue? Lame? Sore? Soft? HELP!

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Hoof issue? Lame? Sore? Soft? HELP!
  • Ok guys! So I have already introduced my rescue mare, Heidi in another section but I have a question for you hoof experts and opinionates! :)

    I have already called the lady who had her before, and got the whole story from the Sheriff's office who had confiscated her...

    She is a 6 yr old 16.2 hand mare...maybe TB, cross or even SB cross? She had not had her feet done is approximately 1 whole year when they went and got her 2 weeks ago. Whichever farrier they chose trimmed her...a little short in my opinion but trimmed her nonetheless. Now I think the following problems could be from too "quick" of a trim to make her feet look "pretty" (does that make sense?)

    She is fine on soft ground/grass...no wrong steps. As soon as you get on concrete or anything harder than grass she is short stepping and limping like crazy...and I mean painfully so! Moreso on the drive way area where we had to walk over the other day to get around some other horses but I blamed it on the rocks and such. As soon as she's off that...nothing. Not a limp, wrong step or whimper. She will not pick up her feet if I'm in the barn, she gets scared or hurts and tries to walk off to regain her balance (im guessing from lack of muscle and sore feet, etc.) I'm going to work with her on the grass be because I have to have her be able to pick ehr feet up since my farrier is coming out in 2 1/2weeks.

    Does anyoen have any ideas what I could do to ease her pain? or help harden her feet? We have her in the softest area for turnout but I think she may be causing herself to get more sore because she wants to be 'with' the other horses...not just 'near' them. The BO has mentioned that she paces the fence line and that has me worried with her over-working or overstressing herself. She is inside at night and she calms down in her stall when the horse across from ehr is inside too...she 'needs' other horses :)

    I called my vet and she suggested putting venice turpentie on her soles. She has ad the normal soundess check and is fine with tendons, etc. So i really think its a 'foot' issue!

    ANy help or advice is greatly appreciated!!!

    If you need anymore info please don't hesitate to ask and I will answer to the best of my abilities!!
  • So glad you're accepting opinions!!!
    Zag is VERY sensitive on rocks BUT he's gotten better.  Sounds like she might have been quicked but don't worry too much.  It'll grow out.  One thing that will toughen their feet is regularly walking on hard surfaces and gravel - like our feet in the summer when we were kids.  My trimmer, who trims to achieve the "natural" hoof (whole 'nother argument there) complete with mustang roll and the concave sole etc etc, suggests putting gravel around the water tank so they have to walk on it and their feet will benefit.  I hope you have a good trimmer who will be careful with her feet.
    For the record, however anyone wants to keep their horse's feet, shod or not is their business.  I can't afford shoes on horses never ridden (except Zag and that's not really frequently) AND we don't have rocks to speak of here in the MidSouth.
  • Getting her back in shape and nutrionally sound will make a difference in her feet.  Something that I was told years ago that does run true is a box of jello in grain will help their feet.  It does work.
     
    A vitamin supplement that I use, swear by and have discussed with MORE than a few vets is Necessity by Loomix.  It is NOT cheap, but has all the vitamin supplements and hoof supplements you will need.  You can get it in liquid or powder form.
     
    Just my thoughts.
  • "Quicking" is not about a quick trim, but about "quicking" the foot. Like you quick your nails when you trim them too close. Exposing blood vessels/laminate.
     
    Though of course it can also be because someone hurries through trimming.
     
     
     
     
  • [quote=hunterseat]

    So glad you're accepting opinions!!!
    Zag is VERY sensitive on rocks BUT he's gotten better.  Sounds like she might have been quicked but don't worry too much.  It'll grow out.  One thing that will toughen their feet is regularly walking on hard surfaces and gravel - like our feet in the summer when we were kids.  My trimmer, who trims to achieve the "natural" hoof (whole 'nother argument there) complete with mustang roll and the concave sole etc etc, suggests putting gravel around the water tank so they have to walk on it and their feet will benefit.  I hope you have a good trimmer who will be careful with her feet.
    For the record, however anyone wants to keep their horse's feet, shod or not is their business.  I can't afford shoes on horses never ridden (except Zag and that's not really frequently) AND we don't have rocks to speak of here in the MidSouth.


    We raised our colts on straight up and down rocky hills. The concussion results in strong bone, and the uneven ground and rocky pasture means they #1, learn to look where they're going, and #2, toughens their  hooves.
     
    I had a filly who could stand on an 8 inch stone with all four feet and spin around in circles without tripping, stepping off, or losing her balance.
     
    Now that's a horse. That's a lot of horse. You have to be pretty quick on your feet to outsmart them....she could kick a fly off a piece of paper without making the paper move, as well. But she only did it when you bathed her.
     
     
  • Hi,

    Yes, if the farrier trimmed into her sole or dropped her heels a lot, it definitely could be the trim causing her pain. It could also be that she's laminitic &/or foundered. If she was rather flat footed, this is an indication that her foot has 'sunk'(foundered) in the hoof capsule. The hoof may look long, but the coffin bone is low down. Therefore, any trimming of the sole will bring the internal sensitive structures even closer to the surface & remove more protection. Laminitis is generally the precursor of founder, and the mechanics(or lack of) & trimming(or lack of) will cause the prob to progress to founder. If the major problem is the back of her feet(does she appear to 'tiptoe'?) then it may be due to too suddenly dropping heel height & forcing weak heels into too strong a role.

    I would not advise painting anything onto her soles. They don't need to be made harder, they need to *grow* thicker. I would also not advise forcing her to walk on gravel or rocks without protection, because her feet obviously aren't in a position to handle it. Apart from it not being nice for her, forcing her to walk on sore, thin soles can easily cause stone bruises/abscesses, which will cause her more pain & setback her rehab further. Also, if she's too sore to use her feet properly, she may be doing more damage in toe-first impacts. It's best to keep her as comfortable as possible & help her grow healthy feet before trying to 'condition' them on gravel & the likes.

    I would suggest you get her some boots or such to protect her feet where she's uncomfortable. If she's apparently comfortable in the paddock & on soft surfaces, no need for boots there, and the more (comfortable) exercise the better, so I'd see it as a good thing physically that she spends her time pacing the fence.

    I would advise you ensure she's on a healthy diet - lots of hay/roughage, no grain or sweet 'junk food' and a good complete supp to ensure she's getting good nutrition. Especially if she looks like she may have foundered through obesity, extra magnesium may also be helpful.

    Above all, educate yourself on hoof function, etc. One good source is hoofrehab.com You can also send us hoof pics - a variety of angles, for more specific info.
  • It's best to keep her as comfortable as possible & help her grow healthy feet before trying to 'condition' them on gravel & the likes.

    Absolutely.  If it's trim related it really needs to grow out but that shouldn't take long.
    AND she's walking fine on grass. 
    I had a mild founder and there was no walking fine ANYWHERE!  Also, gravel around the water tank isn't really forcing her to walk on painful rocks.  Just a trip to the water tank a few times a day.... not razor blades or broken glass, just some pea gravel or what have you.