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What do you think of Arabians?
  • [quote=AllieBaba]

    Just out of curiousity, how many of those who hate Arabs have actually ridden well trained ones?




    I have.  He was great, I loved that horse.  And I rode an arab cross too.  He was also great.  Though I wouldn't say I *hate* the breed, an arab still wouldn't be my first, or even second choice...there are a lot of breeds I like better.  It's just personal prefrence.
     
  • I've ridden many different horses over time but i haven't ever ridden an Arabian and i'm not planning to ever ride one! i'm not experienced enough to ride an Arabian horse safely, no matter how well he's trained.
     
    But, since i work as a groom, i often have to handle Arabians, and i hate them! i have to be really careful as they show no kind of respect, they could easily trample me or drag me away, they're so dumb they hit the door jambs and scrape the skin over the hip tips when they rush to enter or get out of their stalls, they're just plain intractable and unpredictable.
     
    Most other horses i have to handle, even&nbsp';p'aint stallions, TBs and big show jumpers, are far smarter and more tractable.
     
    i have also&nbsp';p'ersonally seen Arabians buck off their riders violently out of "joie de vivre"
     
    The worst happened a few years ago, an Arabian stallion angrily bit, thrashed and dragged a girl that was&nbsp';p'etting his companion goat inside his fence, causing her serious injury, the owner of the stallion was sued and that stallion was labeled ad "dangeous" and ordered slaughtered by the court.
     
    I have no experience with American Arabians, but believe me, the Arabians we have here in Italy are really nasty, i'm so wary of them i always get out of the trail quickly when i meet one while riding my horse. 
      
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
     
  • Yikes, Jimmy!  You need to meet some American Arabians!!!  They're sweeties!
  • After working with 100-130 head of arabs...for almost 6 years I can leave them.  I dont mind the polish or crabbet blood but HATE the egyptian lines..they are nothing but air heads that are narrow and overbred.  That is a huge problem!
    The arab is my humble ideas is a sensitive horse, yes it is a hot blood but so are TBs, but they seem to get flightly and jittery and jig when nervous plus again does not help that they are INBRED so badly that it compounds problems SCID as so forth.
    I value the arab that is an endurance horse as that is what they are orginally bred for to go across the desert for a long distance...they are not the fastest 4 legged critters as they are the slowest on the race track but they get it done, I do respect the larger heart than other breds again it is for the long distance thing. 
  • [quote=Jimmyhaflinger]

    I've ridden many different horses over time but i haven't ever ridden an Arabian and i'm not planning to ever ride one! i'm not experienced enough to ride an Arabian horse safely, no matter how well he's trained.

    But, since i work as a groom, i often have to handle Arabians, and i hate them! i have to be really careful as they show no kind of respect, they could easily trample me or drag me away, they're so dumb they hit the door jambs and scrape the skin over the hip tips when they rush to enter or get out of their stalls, they're just plain intractable and unpredictable.

    Most other horses i have to handle, even&nbsp';p'aint stallions, TBs and big show jumpers, are far smarter and more tractable.

    i have also&nbsp';p'ersonally seen Arabians buck off their riders violently out of "joie de vivre"

    The worst happened a few years ago, an Arabian stallion angrily bit, thrashed and dragged a girl that was&nbsp';p'etting his companion goat inside his fence, causing her serious injury, the owner of the stallion was sued and that stallion was labeled ad "dangeous" and ordered slaughtered by the court.

    I have no experience with American Arabians, but believe me, the Arabians we have here in Italy are really nasty, i'm so wary of them i always get out of the trail quickly when i meet one while riding my horse. 
     
      
      
      
      
      
      
      



    Hence the separation of greenhorns and those dedicated to learning about horses. You've never ridden an Arab. That says it all.
  • I'm really sorry, that was rude of me. What I meant to say and should have said is that all horses are different. Perhaps you don't connect with Arabs. But they are a different breed....I handle QHs different than I handle Arabs, and I handle both different than I handle Walkers or ponies. They're all different. They all have different "cranky" triggers. Arabs need to be handled very lightly, they're intuitive and resond adversely to those who get into power struggles with them.
     
    QH need to be handled strongly at first, and then more lightly....you don't want to fight with a QH, they will fight literally to the death. But when they're YOUNG, they must learn who is the boss.
     
    They're all different. I've never seen a breed that doesn't have strengths. You just have to learn how to approach them. Approach an Arab (or a QH, for that matter) looking for a fight, and you will get one. Give them some room, let them be themselves, and it's a whole different story.

  • Allie, you act as though Jimmy has never handled an Arab before. Why would you criticize him when you have obviously not been around the Arabs that he has to deal with? 


    People like to jump to the fact that the Arab is a hot blooded horse and that most people just aren't use to dealing with those kinds of horses. That is wrong. I own a hot blooded Spanish horse. The Barb is a hot blooded horse. The Thoroughbred is a hot blooded horse. Paso Finos are a hot blooded horse, etc. Might I add that all would be sensitive as well. In other words, there are plenty of hot blooded and sensitive horses out there that are not Arabs. Saying that people just don't know how to deal with a hot blooded horse sounds like just an excuse for bad breeding and bad training. The topic of this thread was a question, and that question was why are people not buying Arabs like they use to? These are the reasons why. Instead of getting on here to correct people for their bad experiences with Arabs, why don't you just absorb the information and understand that they are firstly, just answering a question, and secondly, unless you have been around the horses that they have been around, then you have no business telling them what they have experienced is incorrect or due to bad handling.
  • He said in his own post he had never ridden one, wasn't experienced enough to ride one, and had no intention of riding one. For someone who is admittedly inexperienced and has never ridden one I don't think he's exactly qualified to pontificate on what  horrible horses they are.
  • So it seems like the Egyptian is the predominant Arabian line in Italy, the description fits perfectly, they're razor narrow and have that same big vacuum inside their dished heads
     
    The fact that i've never ridden one doesn't mean that i don't know them, i've had to handle MANY arabians in my career as a groom, and i still have to handle 4 of them everyday, so i by now i'm quite familiar with their attitudes.
     
    When you have a horse which isn't able to get into his stall without crashing into the door jambs to cut a corner, and that's absolutely restless and quite difficult to handle even with a chain halter, do you really expect him to be anything good under saddle?
     
    i refrain from riding them because i'm not an expert rider, and also because i'd like to preserve my health, i also don't really have any reason to ride an Arabian, even one gentle enough for me to ride, since i'm a fan of clunky slow&nbsp';p'lodding equines, i won't appreciate it anyway.
     
    and their riders are having all kinds of problems anyway, most of them were stupid enough to buy an arabian just because it looks cool, only to find that they are an endless trouble, and they end up paying $$$$ to retrain them over and over, or just giving up and selling them or riding them under sedation.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
  • [quote=Jimmyhaflinger]

    So it seems like the Egyptian is the predominant Arabian line in Italy, the description fits perfectly, they're razor narrow and have that same big vacuum inside their dished heads

    The fact that i've never ridden one doesn't mean that i don't know them, i've had to handle MANY arabians in my career as a groom, and i still have to handle 4 of them everyday, so i by now i'm quite familiar with their attitudes.

    When you have a horse which isn't able to get into his stall without crashing into the door jambs to cut a corner, and that's absolutely restless and quite difficult to handle even with a chain halter, do you really expect him to be anything good under saddle?

    i refrain from riding them because i'm not an expert rider, and also because i'd like to preserve my health, i also don't really have any reason to ride an Arabian, even one gentle enough for me to ride, since i'm a fan of clunky slow&nbsp';p'lodding equines, i won't appreciate it anyway.

    and their riders are having all kinds of problems anyway, most of them were stupid enough to buy an arabian just because it looks cool, only to find that they are an endless trouble, and they end up paying $$$$ to retrain them over and over, or just giving up and selling them or riding them under sedation.






















    Well as I said to each his own. I understand if you've had bad experiences on the ground not wanting to climb aboard, particularly if the ones you have available to you are particularly feisty, ill bred or not well trained.
     
    I've ridden Egyptians and Polish and like them both. They are NOT plodding horses, that much is certainly true, but neither are they crazy. I find Thoroughbreds a hundred times more unpredictable than Arabs. But they do have that fire and very long memories. My mare reacts very adversely to men who try to over-handle her. But my 23 year old son was perfectly at home on her and had the right touch. My other friend tried to ride her like he'd ride one of his roping horses (and he's by no means mean or rough on them...just very assertive) and she put her head down and squealed, he thought he was going bye bye. I've never had a lick of trouble with her. I can move her wherever I want her to go, I don't find her intimidating, though she would certainly intimidate someone used to a very quiet and docile horse. On the ground she likes to toss her head and prance around....but it doesn't bother me any. I just let her have a little length and she does her thing on the end of it. I will tell you she's never bumped me, never stepped on me, never hit me with any part of her body, and never acted like anything but a lady (possibly a little bit edgy lady) when I've ridden her. I put my kids on her back when I have a halter on her and her head comes down and she walks slowly and carefully.
     
    But that's my experience.
  • I agree with You, Allie, 100%.
     I do know what Jimmy is talking about, tho, I've seen quite a few of "his" type of Arabians here in Italy too.
    But I also have seen 90% of their riders just don't know how to deal with a horse like an Arabian. They probably got one, because it was cheap (some are cheap here, for above mentioned reasons, or because they didn't have the desired color, etc., etc.), or because the friend has one, or because they heard they can go for long with little feed, or any other of these crazy reasons. The common idea about Arabians here is that they have to be "lean". But then there's the other extreme, too well fed, and fed wrong, too. All that is really asking for problems.
    Then there's another thing, and I'm sorry, Jimmy, to say that. The average Italian rider doesn't really have a "hand" for Arabians. From what I've seen here, if you put three, four people with horses together, there's a lot of screaming and yelling going on, not fighting, don't get me wrong, just the way of communicating with each other. For example, across my barn, there are  6 11-stall barns, which are frequently rented out to weekend guests with horses. Usually hobby riders, most of them with the for here typical Maremmano, or Tolfetano (a kind of semi wild horse), an occasional QH, and  also Arabians. When these people show up, my Arabians get nervous. But so does my trotter and a friend's TB. Just the noise level is doing this. When there's other horses there, trotters, or jumpers, who work on a daily basis, they stay calm, no matter how much traffic there is.
    Now you take a sensitive breed, like the Arabian, or TB's for that matter, under this kind of stress, they tend to overreact. Now add a handler who's always loud, exduberant, waving his arms constantly while talking and instead of a rub on the face the horse gets a good slap, well, meant, tho, but still. To me, it's no wonder these horses are like Jimmy describes them. In fact, when I have people there who want to pet my horses I tell them not to touch the heads. I learned.
    I also noticed that the majority of TB's here are not very smart. Not like I know a typical TB. In fact, I talked to a friend who's working with them, preparing colts for auction. He said it's true. He said it seems like they shut off the brain to deal with this handling without going crazy.
     I've had, in the 40+ years I've dealt with horses, Arabians, TB's, Warmbloods, a pony or two, Haflingers, Arabo Haflingers, Heavy drafts and Standardbreds. And I wholeheartedly can say, the Arabian is my absolute favourite. BECAUSE they are so sensitive, BECAUSE they show off, tail up, snorting and blowing, BECAUSE they are back to the ground equally fast, BECAUSE they are sometimes smarter than the handler (just ask my hubby) and BECAUSE they are not taking rough handling.
    And I also have never seen an Arabian buck or kick. In fact, my now almost 23 year old came to me as yearling, I started him under saddle with 3. He NEVER caused problems, not with the first saddling, not with the first ride, the second ride I had my friend pass us in a lope and he never even moved as much as an ear. You can leave him on pasture for 5 years, just hop on and ride, he never forgets what he has learned or acts stupid.
    I do have to say I don't have show blood lines, all my Arabs are of old German lines who were bred for riding. They have bone, they have chest, a good back and very nice movement. Further up in this threat I posted pics of them. And I agree there are differences between bloodlines. The Egyptian who is not bred for show only, usually has nerves of steel, the Polish tends to be a bit flighty. Russians I don't know, never had one, never met one straight Russian, Spanish are a bit like Andalusians, movement and looks, too.
     
      And it's not Arabians only for me, I do appreciate a nice Hanoverian, I love my little Standardbred to pieces, I enjoyed riding my hubby's Haflinger, I'd take an Andalusian in a heartbeat. They are all horses after all. I've yet to try out a mule[':D']
     
  • I'm amazed by the Gangaweed who ride their Arabs into Darfur on war raids....often bridleless. They're riding them while killing people, running into huts, lighting things on fire.....often without bridles or just a simple war bridle (essentially a piece of rope or leather, looped around the jaw and held in one hand). Certainly horrible and gruesome what's going on in Darfur, but those horses are amazing.
  • I've been puzzled by the "Italian Arabian" description so I looked them up. It appears they aren't true Arabs, but descendants of Sardinian native horses interbred with Arabs, and have Thoroughbred thrown in...
     
    "The Sardinian, Sardinian Anglo-Arab, or Anglo-Arabo-Sardo (AAS), is a horse breed that was established in Sardinia, originating from the crossing of Thoroughbred with Sardinian horses carrying Arabian blood. Its origins in Italy trace to Sardinia, where it has been selectively bred for more than one hundred years.
    ..."There is also a smaller native horse called the Giara's Horse, which is thought to have developed from Numidian (North African-possibly Barb) stock brought to the island by the Carthaginians in Roman times. It is these native horses that crossed first with Arabians and then Thoroughbreds, that provided the local foundation bloodstock that contributed to the creation of the Sardinian horse.
    ..."• DolichomorphicBay, chestnut or gray • Height at the withers: small type (156–158 cm), medium type (158–165 cm) large type (taller than 165 cm) • Weight: 450 – 550 kg.
    It is characterized by solid feet and legs, a refined head with a straight profile and a fiery temperament with speed and stamina. In Cavalry trials it was able to cover 100 kilometers per day for several days."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_(horse)
     
    Are these the "Italian Arabs" that are being referred to? If so, it explains a lot in the difference of behavior between the standard Arab and the Italian Arabs, who aren't really Arabs at all, but trace back to some Arabian blood???
  • Allie, not all Arabs are good horses no matter how much you wish that were true. Most of my horse friends grimace at the prospect of having to ride another Arab due to bad experiences. 

    Again, love hot blooded horses, but Arabs just don't do it for me. My passion is for the hot Spanish horse who in my opinion is the total opposite of the Arab not only in build, but in temperament (as far as being respectful and how deeply they form bond with their riders. The breed I have is known for being a one person kind of horse) and intelligence as well. 


  • Hi Allie,
    I say "Italian Arabians", because they are here in Italy, but they are purebred Arabians. They are being registered with ANICA, the Italian Purebred Arabian registry. Bloodlines come from all over the world, just like in the US, in Germany, or any other country.
    The Anglo Arabo Sardo is a whole different story, a very nice sport horse, looking good and doing a good job. Unfortunately a bit out of fashion now, everybody wants the big jumping horses from Germany and Holland.
     
    There is another thing I noticed about the Arabians here. They don't seem to be too interested in people, act very aloof. Or are just plain neurotic.All I can say, mine are not like that, they are very interested in people, are open minded, so to speak, but also shy away from loud, obnoxious things. No, not things, people.
    I was told by a breeder, very old lady, years ago, that not everybody can have Arabians. "You need to have a hand for them, girl. If not, they can be a pain in the....", she said. I think she was right.