Naughty for farrier HELP!

It's kind of disrespectful to your farrier, too, isn't it?  (for Danny) My thoughts: Be sure to use a rope halter.  get the end of the lead rope and start swinging it towards his chest and make him back up REALLY FAST (sorta putting the fear of God in him).  Whoever backs up loses so..... he's submitting to you.  Just do it about 2 or 3 seconds and let him go right back to being trimmed.  If he doesn't stand then repeat for a second longer.  Just make it a fast correction and let it be over. 
 
 

Absolutely disrespectful to my farrier.  I have tried that, but I bet I am not as forceful as I will be now.  I also might try bringing my horse friendly buddy over and the two of us can act as make shift farriers without the tools in the way.  Just pick up his hooves and bend,...  If he pushes REALLY MOVE HIM BACK.  That way, we don't have the tools in the way? 

You can also make sure that you work him prior to the farrier coming.  Really move him around and get the fresh off and then when he gets his feet trimmed he gets to stand still.  If he moves around MAKE him move around and have him hustle till it isnt' his idea anymore.  Then bring him back to the farrier and let him rest there. 
 
Another thing to try is take a one foot hobble like a stake out hobble that is padded and has the ring on it.  Put that on his foot and saddle him then take a soft cotton rope (just don't want to mark up the saddle) and tie it loosly around his girth so that the rope sits in the saddle and wont move around much then tie the end to the hobble.  That way he can't get his foot down no matter how hard he tries.  Drive him a bit and make him hop around on three legs for a bit.  He will realize real quick that it is easier to stand still.  If you want to there is also a one leg hobble that you can use and is easier but more expensive on Clinton Andersons website.  The only thing is you want to make sure that he is in some soft footing and that you have his other leg booted up so as to make it safer for him.
 
Hunt is right on the backing thing too.  Really show him you mean business and that if he doesn't stand right there you shall work his hinny off.  Most horses being lazy will opt for the standing still part!!
 
Good luck and be safe!

I do usually ride or try to lunge or something before he comes.  However, this rainy summer and he was just getting better from a hoof problem, wasn't condusive to riding before hand.  Plus I had someone come hold, as I couldn't be home.  It all added up to antics and bad behavior.  The holder said he wasn't bad- she knows him.  But she knows I don't accept that from him and she said I would consider it naughty. They are both quite successful if I work them before hand.  I usually have them done on off weeks, so I can ride and work before hand.  Thank you for the suggestions and I plan on using the techniques you shared.

My mare pulls that stunt sometimes.....I dont like it one bit all i have to do is start swinging that lead line pop it on her side acouple times and i make her back up so fast she doesnt know what hit her i make her back up at least 150 feet till she doesnt want to back up anymore....or if i cant back her up i make her do really realy tight circles walk her back to Lynn and most of the time she just stands there after  the coming to jesus meeting

I don't mean to sound contradictory BUT (here goes []) All these people that say "I lunge my horse before I ride to get that energy out" um.... maybe it makes you feel better and I'm sure it's fine but honestly... some horses can go for HOURS and be spunky!  It's good for putting the horse in the "mom's the boss" frame of mind but they could probably go a whole lot longer than we care to lunge them. 
Okay there.  Now who'd I tick off? []
 
Really that was random-ish.  Just a thought.  Not necessarily pertaining to this thread.... [8|]

all i have to do is start swinging that lead line pop it on her side acouple times and i make her back up so fast she doesnt know what hit her

 
YEAH!  What SHE sez! []  That's exactly what I meant!  (good job BR!)

I'm completely with you on that one hunt.  Standing for the farrier is a skill all on its own.  I want the horse to learn it as a skill without tiring them out first.   I have known some horses that could go forever and I personally don't have an entire day to dedicate to the farrier coming.  Not to mention, if something were to happen to the horse that the farrier had to check, that horse may not be able to run around, but may very well be able to still run a person over.  A barn that I work at has many older horses that are physically incapable of running around on a lungelinge, but still have no problem plowing a person down.  Its been addressed, and the horses are better, but when making them move in small circles isn't an option, you have to find another way.
 
Ok, the first problem here isn't the farrier, its the fact that the horse is not respecting your personal space.  Your personal space is the most important thing.  Whenever I am training a horse, I am training it with my 4 yr old cousin in the back of my mind.  My goal is to make that horse trained to the point that if that little kid wandered out there, then I wouldn't have to worry.  I learned a long time ago that I can't control what people do, but I can control my horses.  The pushier your horse, the more space you need to give yourself.  Start with space exercises and pretend like you are a 5 yr old kid walking your horse.  Think about how responsive you would want him to be and how attentive to his handler.  A lot of times, adults restrain problems because they can, but then there is always call for more and more restraint.  So, think like there is a kid standing there and get that horse out of your space!  I agree that you should use a rope halter.  Simulate the farrier coming, work on holding the hoof for long periods of time, bang on it a little, hold it between your legs, etc. 
 
Once your space is solidly established, then your horse knows that the response to jump in your lap is never exceptable.  It doesn't matter if it is vet, farrier, fireworks, or gunshots, your space is the most important thing.  This also establishes leadership, which will give the horse the confidence and trust to go through with what you are asking of him, whatever it is.

My co-trainers horse pulls this sometimes too.  He's to lazy to lounge very long because he goes soooo slow (Western Pleasure) that it takes to much energy from me to get him moving!!  He will back up but phil desensitized him without sensitizing him because I have to really wack him with the stick or lead to get anything more than a du look.  Matter of fact he almost ran me over yesterday when he plowed through Phil and took off through the yard.   Needless to say I told Phil I would be more than happy to work on his ground manners if he liked. []  I don't like a pushy horse and with hooves the size of dinner plates....well I darn sure don't want stepped on.
 
Anyway so the last time I had to hold him I took him out early and each time I would ask him to stop and stand he would start to push into me or throw his hip around to gawk at another horse.  I had him hustle back quite a ways till he knew I ment business.  When it was his turn he was quite happy to stand still. 
 
Also make sure to warn your farrier that if he starts acting up of what your intentions are for correcting it so that he can have his things off to the side more.

1st, I don't get upset by opinions. I always feel many people know more than I do.  So I'm not concerned.  I also agree with them needing to learn to come out and stand still.  My horse has more slow than go also.  I want to be able to bring him out and he behave, no matter what I am working on or not.  I would like to use my stick when Harold comes next time and tell him, I what I am going to do.  He is more than patient and would understand.  He'll back to the road if he doesn't stand still.  Plus, I work on him several times a day, bringing him out and playing with his legs and feet.  He stands much better tied than when I hold him.  So when we are sitting on the porch in the evening, I bring him out and make him STAND STILL.  Plus, I pick up his hooves.  Thank all for advice and I listen to everyone.