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Help! Lounging Problem with my new gelding!!!

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Help! Lounging Problem with my new gelding!!!
  • I recently bought an awesome Quarterhorse Gelding. He's 7 and I spent a month going to the seller/trainer's house every week for a lesson on him to learn how she cued him and worked with him. He was a dream that whole time - affectionate, sweet, personable, a great horse!

    He's been at my place almost a month now, and is in with my mare whom he seems to really like. The problem is, he is starting bad behavior. He has always lounged beautifully. The past couple of days when I've tried to lounge him, he keeps walking into me, leading with his shoulder, not letting me get far enough back from him to be able to lounge him. He just keeps getting right on top of me, not matter what I try to do, he moves right in on me immediately. He clearly knows what he's doing - he doesn't want to lounge and knows I can't get in position with him on top of me like that. Each time he's tried it recently, I did succeed in getting him to lounge in one direction, then he wouldn't lounge in the other direction. (And one day he wouldn't lounge to the right, the next day to the left!)

    I've tried everything I know . . . any suggestions?
  • Your position doens't matter as much to him as it does to you.  If he is walking in on you straight on use your lead or stick to start tapping his shoulder and neck.  If there is no response wack him a bit harder on the shoulder and neck but should he really push into you tap his jaw.  You shouldn't be moving at all around him.  Stand your ground and if he dives into you as he goes around don't jump out of his way use the lead or stick to tap him on the ribs to encourage him to round his body and arch around you.
     
    Heres how I teach my clients.  Stand straight in front your horse.  He should be stopped and facing you about 4-6 feet out.  If he starts walking in BEFORE he is cued to do so back him up quickly with energy.  This does not mean you charge in there at him but use the lead to creat the energy and use your body to hunker down a bit and the weight of the lead and snap will move the halter enough to move him back.
     
    Now that he is back where he belongs choose your direction.  Lets say to the left.  Hold up your left hand about shoulder high and shorten up your lead.  It needs to be slack but short enought that if he moves the wrong way he will fell pressure from the halter almost instantly.  Use your right hand either twirling the lead rope or using a training stick and start tapping the air next to his shoulder.  If nothing start tapping his shoulder.  This is where some horses will try to move into you to escape the pressure but keep you feet as still as possible and really smack his jaw line should he step into you.  If he runs the other way give a good pull release until he is facing you but don't pause before sending him off again otherwise they start thinking if they run the other way they get to rest.  When he goes the right way only let him move around you say a couple circles and then ask him to stop and bring him in to rub and reward him.
     
    He already knows how to lunge so you have him there.  Its just getting him to realize that YOU know how to lunge and he can't get out of it.  I have found that the more you try and move  TO the shoulder the more confused the horse gets about what you are trying to tell him.  Especially if he is very well trained.  Stay in front or just at an angle to him so that you are still in front of him but barely off to one side.  When you change directions be firm with him and insist that he move off.  Don't be afraid that if you wack him he wont love you anymore, just go back and rub all over him after he makes a full circle and he will look to you for leadership just as he looked at his previous owner/trainer.  Horses love rules and look for the one who can give them without anger or bias and enforce them just the same.
     
    Good luck and stay safe.
  • hey!i have a 6 year male old Qaurter horse/thoughobred who has the same problem!i read in clinton anderson's ground work book,that most of the time this happens cause we let our horses come in a personal space.so,right now i am try to get Rascal to to stay out of my space,and go far on that and see what happens.so,if you find out anything for this behaiver could you let me know?thanks.