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What is a proud cut gelding's actions like?

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What is a proud cut gelding's actions like?
  • Everyone seems to say that my gelding that I have at the moment is proud cut, but I am not sure if he really is. I was wondering if anyone had or seen a proud cut gelding, and seen how their actions were? I did contact my vet and he said to wait until my pony comes into heat and see how he reacts, then we will have a blood test if he is still acting like a stud. I was also wondering if a proud cut gelding would still "bugger around" with a mare if they are not in season? or is it just when they are in season?
    These are just some questions I am curious about and would like to know the answers. Thanks:)
     
    * i would also really like it if people would only answer the questions that i asked, since a lot of the time when I ask questions they just want to solve my problem, but I only would like the questions answered if possible. Thanks* 
    :D
     
     
     
     
  • fromhttp://www.horsekeeping.com/horse_health_care/
    Some horses retain sexual behaviors after gelding and are often called "proud cut".  In the past this was said to be due to some testicular tissue being missed during the gelding procedure allowing testosterone production (but not sperm production) to continue.  In some cases, this may have been true, especially considering the variety of crude methods of castration practiced over the last 2000 years.  However, today, with the availability of restraining drugs and the level of knowledge and surgical techniques, it is unlikely that missed testicular tissue is the cause for the estimated 25 percent of geldings that are said to exhibit some type of stallion behaviors.  Since the adrenal glands (located near the kidneys) also produce testosterone, it is thought that the cause of so-called "proud cut" behavior may be due to the (hyper)activity of a particular horse's adrenal glands.  Other stallion-like behaviors may simply be poor manners due to inadequate training.

    How old was he when he was gelded/how long ago was he gelded?



  • Well it would have been nice if you would have answered the questions, like I said in the question :/
     
    BUT i don't know when he was gelded, since his old owner didn't really know anything about him. But i am sure it was over a year. But he also breed some mares before.
  • There are few actually "proud cut" geldings out there now days but if he really is he will be possesive of his herd, be ill tempered when around other geldings, on a ride they can become very dangerous if they encounter a mare in heat when not properly trained, etc.  Often one of the most telling signs is that when the try to mount a mare, they will be hard enough to get the job done if you get my meaning.  A gelding will be hard for a short period of time then as realization sets in they go back to nuzzling and grooming.
     
    There are also some geldings that even though they are not "proud cut" can entice a mare to come into season.  My co-trainers older horse used to just nuzzle and groom them until they were terribly hot and bothered, then he would take the mare straight to the breeders.  Once in a while a gelding will even try to mount if recently cut or have bred before they were cut to no avail.
     
    By the way that was a great article on what "proud cut" actually means.
  • [quote=chelsea03]Well it would have been nice if you would have answered the questions, like I said in the question :/


    I thought that reply was quite a good & straightforward one, not one to get knickers in a knot about. But since you don't want any details, the only straight answer is it depends. It depends on what 'proud cut' means to you. It depends on when the horse was gelded, what experiences & behaviour he had before gelding, his personality, his training, how well or badly sociallised he's been with other horses.... Well sociallised stallions may be absolute gentlemen, be it with other horses or people, but geldings & mares can be 'proudly' aggressive & even sexual. Also I've known a couple of definite(tested, proven) geldings who could & 'did get it up' quite capably.
  • lol i wasn't "getting my knickers in a not" i was just explaining lol. but thanks for the person who replied the second last comment, he did actully "breed" my filly, which i have never heard of before.
    and also the last comment was also good, thanks so much! ':D'
    and also some people told me (people I know) that proud cut is when a gelding has a "bag" inside that they missed when he was being gelded, so he still thinks that he is a stud, sort of..
    not sure if that is right or not, but how the person explained it, it seemed to be right.
    ':)'
  • also some people told me (people I know) that proud cut is when a gelding has a "bag" inside that they missed when he was being gelded, so he still thinks that he is a stud, sort of..

     
    Wouldn't that be a cryptorchid (sp) and actually still be a stud?
     
    Sorry, didn't mean to answer your question with a question. [':)']
  • lol that's ok, lol now everyone thinks i mean by saying that.
    and i am not sure, the person i talked to said that they are not a stud because both of their testies are gone and they just have that bag left. So they would just be like a gelding that thinks he is a stud, sort of, hm not sure if that is right or not.
  •   Who ever told you what a "proud cut" gelding was doesn't have a clue.    Thank you Horsegirl for trying to dispell the myth.  Yes, in castration the testicles are removed but there is no"sac".  Skin covers them and holds them in place.  The skin does not produce any hormones that would account for behavioral issues.  When they remove the testicles, they leave the skin as it it and with a little time, the skin shrinks.
     
      If he mounted an penetrated a mare, I would definitly check his hormone levels to check if he is a cryptorchid.  In a cryptorchid, crypt for short, one or both testicles are retained the the abdomen.  They look like a gelding and often are misrepresented and sold to unsuspecting individuals as geldings while in fact they truely are still stallions.  The costs to go in and get the remaining testicle can be prohibitive so the owner dumps them at a sale to rid themselves of the problem.
     
      If he was used as a breeding stallion at one time, his behavior is probably more to do with poor socialization, isolation and poor training than any other explaination.  He shouldn't be kept in a mixed herd ever.
  • I know my gelding isn't a crypt because he isn't aggresive AT ALL, and he does not have any testicles, not one, or two.
    We phoned the vet a while ago and he said to just wait and he will come out of it since he had bred mares before and still thinks that he is a stud. So we waited for 21 days and my&nbsp';p'ony came into heat again and he could careless about her, she came and put her butt in his face and he just walked away haha, so i guess he figured it out, because before when she was in heat he was all over her! So I am Very happy that I know that he isn't a stud or proud cut, or anything and I am also happy that he never bred my pony! Since there is quit a height difference there.
     
    But Thanks for answering my question and giving me a lot of advice! it did help a lot! Thanks!